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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/21/2005 9:23 PM

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I think FSA needs a theme song where we all can sing along right before our meetings and maybe even a flag with our own colors. What do ya think guys lets take a vote on it. I know I know it's raining and theres nothing to do. I am already watching epoxy dry, I am so damm bored I have builded ca stalagmites like we use to do with silly sand...LMAO

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/21/2005 10:52 PM

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I I am so damm bored

OK, here are some suggestions (subset of a much larger list):

1. At Lunch Time, Sit In Your Parked Car With Sunglasses on and point a Hair Dryer At Passing Cars. See If They Slow Down.

2. Page Yourself Over The Intercom. Don't Disguise Your Voice.

3. Every Time Someone Asks You To Do Something, Ask If They Want Fries with That.

4. Put Your Garbage Can On Your Desk And Label It "In."

5. Put Decaf In The Coffee Maker For 3 Weeks. Once Everyone Has Gotten Over Their Caffeine Addictions, Switch To Espresso.

6. In The Memo Field Of All Your Checks, Write "For Sexual Favors"

7. Finish all Your Sentences With "In Accordance With The Prophecy."

8 don't use any punctuation

9. As Often As Possible, Skip Rather Than Walk.

10. Specify That Your Drive-through Order Is "To Go."

11. Sing Along At The Opera.

12. Go To A Poetry Recital And Ask Why The Poems Don't Rhyme

13. Put Mosquito Netting Around Your Work Area And Play Tropical Sounds all day.

14. When The Money Comes Out The ATM, Scream "I Won! I Won!"

15. When Leaving The Zoo, Start Running Towards The Parking Lot, Yelling "Run For Your Lives, They're Loose!!"

16. Tell Your Children Over Dinner. "Due To The Economy, We Are Going To Have To Let One Of You Go."

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/21/2005 11:06 PM

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HEY WE ARE UP TO THREE PAGES ALREADY!!!!!

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 12:17 AM

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Lee, what's going on? It's good to hear from the old crew. I miss all the drama! As for me, I've been itching to fly so badly. No flying here, period. Way tooo cold and windy, even hard to walk most of the time. They said it gets better during Summer, so I'm looking forward for that. Sure wish I'm back there flying with you guys.

Neil

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 12:26 AM

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I've been wondering...does the field have a street number? We could get pizza and stuff delivered there (of course, when the domino's guy goes looking for a house and sees a .60 Mustang in Miss America trim crash into a 33% Extra, he'll probably think he's just seeing things and eat the pizza himself. And no, this hasn't happened yet, but I gave the runway a good trim with the prop last week with my 4 lawn mower landings). Man, o man, I'm bored. Bored, bored, bored, and it's supposed to rain on Saturday--no flying for me tomorrow. Guess I'll go bug my little brother now. JL out.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 2:45 AM

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I am wondering why Neil only say's Hi to Lee?

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Lee, what's going on? It's good to hear from the old crew. I miss all the drama! As for me, I've been itching to fly so badly. No flying here, period. Way tooo cold and windy, even hard to walk most of the time. They said it gets better during Summer, so I'm looking forward for that. Sure wish I'm back there flying with you guys.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 2:48 AM

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See what happens when you don't come to meetings

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I posted the address to the web site... 6050 I think. Does that
mean you are buying the Pizza next time you come out?

BTW - Don't you have that purple plane in the picture Jake?

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I've been wondering...does the field have a street number? We could get pizza and stuff delivered there (of course, when the

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 3:09 AM

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Because I PM'd him when I saw him looking at this thread and asked him how was he doing! Guess none of you guys asked him how he was doing serving our country over in a really really cold and windy place

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 8:37 AM

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Wow, as a heli pilot at FSA, I'm starting to feel like a red-headed stepchild (no offense to any person viewing this thread who IS a red-headed stepchild)

It seems like we are really dealing with two issues here. The first being a rogue pilot and the second being the coexistance of fixed and rotary winged aircraft on the airfield. Can we please separate the two so the rules don't penalize those heli pilots who want to play nice?

As far as the rogue pilot goes, don't try to label him as only a wild heli pilot. Because a couple weeks ago I let him fly my P-47 and he proceeded to fly the snot out of it, breaking a lot of the same rules as when he flys helis. And if the person of whom I speak is reading this, I think you're a great guy but you are making people uncomfortable. Your piloting abilities are terrific but don't overcomensate by taking risks with other's saftey. Those type of moves are just as cool on the other side of the runway.

I personally feel that fixed and rotary winged aircraft don't occupy close airspace well. Even just doing circuits with helis is difficult to avoid competetion for the same airspace. The ways helis move is unfamiliar enough to fixed wing pilots so that puts most of the onus on the heli pilot. And when the heli pilot has supreme confidence in the heli (however misplaced that may be) and flys like he just stole the heli, fixed wing pilots get nervous.

One of the biggest problems with flying helis on the same field as fixed wing aircraft is that most heli pilots like to fly close in. The helis I fly are electric and at most half the size of glow helis. So it's practically impossible for me to hover on the far side of the runway. It's just too small to see effectively at that distance. I'm sure even the pilots of larger helis will say this as well.

What would it take to get a heli 3D practice area created on the other side of the trailer? If oriented carfeully, I think there's enough area there for one or two helis to operate safely without impinging on the runway area. The trees should offer adequate restraint for a heli from straying over Van Dusen.

I'm sure enough volunteers amongst the heli pilots could be had to prepare the area needed. The material for the pilot boxes and spectator fence shouldn't be too expensive.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 12:49 PM

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Thats right Advent tell em,start coming to the meetings and no repeating will be necessary and don't forget the boxing gloves cause the next one may get kind of nasty.....LOL.

BEWILDERED thanks for all of the advise I Will give at least one on the list a try maybe not the hair drier one thought....LOL.

Hey Neil how have ya been, just thought I would say hey and thank you for serving our country it dose mean alot to most of us not just Lee. You know Lee don't ya Neil the guys who cheated at the taxi races and still lost yea thats him............LMAO .just kidding don't get bent up lee just poking fun in dreary weather boredom again old chap.

Still waiting to see the shoe string....Lee maybe when the weather gets nice someday you could bring it out to the field.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 1:11 PM

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What would it take to get a heli 3D practice area created on the other side of the trailer? If oriented carfeully, I think there's enough area there for one or two helis to operate safely without impinging on the runway area. The trees should offer adequate restraint for a heli from straying over Van Dusen.

I'm sure enough volunteers amongst the heli pilots could be had to prepare the area needed. The material for the pilot boxes and spectator fence shouldn't be too expensive.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?

And when heli's are not around, perhaps this could be used for small electric F/W as well, which are currently also relatively stationary targets for the big boys..... ??

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 2:04 PM

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Thunder, hate to steal your thunder, but the heli rules apply to all helis. Those little electrics can cut some one up just as fast. If you cannot see it, it may be a park bird only then.

You have to ask, "Is it fair to allow an electric hover and operate right in front of the boxes and not a 60 size slimer heli ?" To try and set rules for each individual airplane or heli is impossible. Our proud heli pilot put one in the pits one afternoon and almost hit bwildered as he was working on his plane. Had it done so, he would have been on his way to the hospital. The particular heli had a powerful brushless and carbon knives.

The only problem with a heli fly area is :

A) Dealing with channel control
B) Is there enough area ?

If you go out to DCRC, it's kind of nerve wracking to fly F/W with some guy doing radical 3D with a Heli behind you. Here again, the main attention at FSA is on the main runway, that goes for flyers and the general public. If a heli breaks and is flinging around out of control and you're not looking behind you, that could get ugly......one of the reasons we do not want forward flight at the hover area. And for the heli pilot, what if a plane gets out and heads at your back while flying ? We have had heli crashes in the parking lot that folks looking at the runway were unaware of. I will speak up now and say that I do not support it. I do support heli's over the main field following the set rules.

As for the Heli Pilot flying the snot out of your tbolt, a couple of times he almost planted it, and yes rules were broken. I personally do not consider his demonstration that of good flying. The fact that he ended up over the pits is an indication that he did not have full control of it. No, IMO, to fly your plane in a scale like manner and perform scale maneuvers would be far more impressive. My favorite of his performances was dogging a fellow flyer's trainer out doing high speed inverted passes as the ailerons fluttered threatening to rip off, until it was mentioned, he had no clue what that noise was. That's a great way to treat someone else's plane.

ENOUGH !

Hey Neil ! How's Bijork ? If you guys don't know who she is, http://www.atlanticrecords.com/bjork

What is all the crying about ? Rain ? I got plenty of work to do in the shop:

1) 88" Yellow Aircraft Spitty MkXIV: Flaps done long way to go
1) 83" Brian Taylor/VICRC Spitty MkIa: Yeah right, haven't lifted a stick ! Beautiful model though.
1) 83" Fiberscale Bf109E-4: This is the rival for the MkIa, I'll have a Battle of Britain pair once they are done. They will be painted to match a historic encounter during the battle. I've started the center section modification to a built up type.
1) 72" Hurricane BARF: Wings glassed ready for lines, hinging today.
1) MkIII repair: Wing and flap work done: Some more sanding and priming, panel lines on flap and re-paint damageed areas.

Ho Ho Ho !

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 3:26 PM

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I have daddy duties today. Taking Jess to piano, taking her to the beauty parlor, birthday gift for a classmate, shopping for play clothes and looking for an organizer for me

. Maybe later in the day I will start working on that Spacewalker again. It has been a while.

I have to agree a little bit with Thunder, the said pilot does fly recklessly with other peoples planes also. I do believe that the bottom line is that he flys outside of the envelope of all planes. Thinking of the said pilot reminds me of a line from a Clint Eastwood movie.

"A man's gotta know his limitations"

THIS PILOT DOESN'T KNOW HIS LIMITATIONS OR THE LIMITATIONS OF THE AIRCRAFT FIXED OR ROTARY.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 4:21 PM

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Heli's:
I really don't want any group at the field to feel like we (the other pilots)
are doing them a favor by letting them fly, weather it is helicopters, combat
planes, aerobatic planes, scale planes, or electric planes.

I personally enjoy watching everyone fly what they have. I don't want to see heli's
banned any more then combat contests or electric planes.

With all the safety violations why don't the officers of this club sit down and write
a formal complaint to this pilot and be done with it. I also don't think it is fair to
dump this on Keith's lap when he was not even present when the crash occurred,
or to dump on him when he did not take action against this person when none of
the other officers of this club will do so themselves.

I really feel Kieth is damned if he does damned if he doesn't... if Keith calls out
someone for a violation he does not seem to get much backup form anyone, but
if he makes a judgment call to let something go (like not yelling at me the night
i did the touch and go on the roof) he get's called impartial, I don't think that is fair
to Keith. A safety officer has to make judgment calls just like a police officer and I
think he deserves the support to make those calls. If people are not happy with the
job he is doing then you should take him aside and discuss the matter with him
or vote to replace him.

One more thing about Keith... in the past he has asked me to do something different
for the sake of safety and I complied with his request, however unlike some members
of this club he only needed to ask me one time before I did what he asked. I did not
ignore his request, nor did I spout rules back at him, I simply figured that I must be
making him uncomfortable and complied with his request without making a big scene...
Maybe that is why he does not feel the need to yell at me.

Lee:
Are we going to have to check your toe nails after today's outing?

Mike:
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a Doug Nash 5 speed

, 9 inch rear (3.25 if i remember), fuel cell, dual fuel pickups,
1-5/8!QUOT! headers that dump into 3!QUOT! exhaust, plus a bunch of stuff I can't remember

It's all set up for road racing.

Yep the 70 Cougar is a Mustang in sheep's clothing.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 6:26 PM

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Well I see no one has an interest in a Cub song, well thats ok I was just trying to get everyone to come together and do something fun but NOOOO thats not good enough. I am going up to the field and jump into water puddles until I am soaking wet!!!!!!!!!.LMAO

Where is that flying boat when ya need it..................

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 8:22 PM

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This would make a great FSA club song:

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...SAFETY OFFICER'S hand
In a...desperate land

Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the MEMBERS are insane
All the MEMBERS are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

There's danger on the edge of THE FIELD
Ride the King's FIXED WING, baby
Weird scenes inside the SHELTER
Ride the WIND west, baby

Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold

The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest

The MIXING BOWL is callin' us
The MIXING BOWL is callin' us
PILOT, where you taken' us

The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a HELI from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to BUILD A HELICOPTER WITH you

C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the SHELTER
Doin' a blue rock
IN a blue SHELTER
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah

Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and HELICOPTER lies
The end of nights and THE FIXED WING DIE'S

This is the end

THE DOORS - "The End" lyrics
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Well I see no one has an interest in a Cub song,

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 9:51 PM

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That sounds very nice;-)

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And when heli's are not around, perhaps this could be used for small electric F/W as well, which are currently also relatively stationary targets for the big boys..... ??

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 10:14 PM

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Thunder, hate to steal your thunder, but the heli rules apply to all helis. Those little electrics can cut some one up just as fast. If you cannot see it, it may be a park bird only then. You have to ask, "Is it fair to allow an electric hover and operate right in front of the boxes and not a 60 size slimer heli ?" To try and set rules for each individual airplane or heli is impossible. Our proud heli pilot put one in the pits one afternoon and almost hit bwildered as he was working on his plane. Had it done so, he would have been on his way to the hospital. The particular heli had a powerful brushless and carbon knives.

I understand that and was not advocating different rules for different models. I was merely pointing out that under the proposed rules where all heli flying must be done over the tall grass would essentially force me not to fly my small electric heli at the field.

Saying that my electric heli is for parks and then saying that it can do significant damage is kind of an oxymoron, isn't it? It's too dangerous to fly in front of my face, go fly it in front of kids playing soccer. Very nice.

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The only problem with a heli fly area is :

A) Dealing with channel control
B) Is there enough area ?

If you go out to DCRC, it's kind of nerve wracking to fly F/W with some guy doing radical 3D with a Heli behind you. Here again, the main attention at FSA is on the main runway, that goes for flyers and the general public. If a heli breaks and is flinging around out of control and you're not looking behind you, that could get ugly......one of the reasons we do not want forward flight at the hover area. And for the heli pilot, what if a plane gets out and heads at your back while flying ? We have had heli crashes in the parking lot that folks looking at the runway were unaware of. I will speak up now and say that I do not support it. I do support heli's over the main field following the set rules.

Frequency control would be handled the same as for the current heli hovering area.

The area I'm talking about would align the pilot booths perpendicular to the main field. That area is current off limits to all aircraft. An errant heli would either go into the trees or over the end of the field. An errant model from the main field would either have to go over the shelter and trailer or be coming directly at you. I feel there is enough room for heli/electric flying. A survey of the area is needed for further consideration. I know the field is different that what is shown in this image. This is basically what I'm talking about:

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/22/2005 11:49 PM

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I have suggested this before. The President, Field Marshal and the membership sec draft a letter and present it to said pilot. Explaining that he has been verbally warned on many occasions by the Pres, FM and Safety officers and that this is his final written warning. If he doesn't comply, then simply do not renew his membership along with that reckless old geezer that is DANGEROUS and DOESN'T LISTEN TO ANYONE

! Nuff Said.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/23/2005 12:50 AM

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Thunder: Obviously you're dumb enough to go fly it in front of kids playing soccer eh ? As a former Park flyer, I saved my flying for when no one was around to damage. Common sense.

If you are on the flight line and hit someone with it, you could hurt them. Why is that so hard to understand ? Not to mention the fact that the pilot you hit may lose control and do more damage. I have been hit with an electric in the chest while flying a plane on our line, one pound at a few miles an hour still hurts and I almost lost my plane to boot.

MT

I'm going back to busting on Jake's thread, this one sucks.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/23/2005 1:15 AM

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Am I detecting a little sarcasm?

The point about not flying my electric heli in a park is that you can't control who goes where. MANY times I have been alone in the park flying my heli and people have walked/ ridden bikes/ jogged into my flight path. Dogs have chased my heli, having seemingly come out of nowhere. Get the picture??? That's why I joined the club in the first place.

I'm not arguing the fact that any heli can cause someone a world of hurt if they get hit by the rotor blades. Nothing in my statements has said anything contrary to that fact. The point about having a club to fly at is primarily safety. The whole AMA structure is designed around it. I'm merely trying to advocate a safe place to fly helis at our club.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/23/2005 2:08 AM

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Me sarcastic ? Never !

You hit the nail on the head. At FSA we have people not watching the skies just like the park, Pilots and spectators. The incident that Kelly was involved in is a perfect example. There were two spectators (non-clubbers) sitting on a bench in front of the shelter. The plane just barely missed them, they did not even realize how close it came to almost killing them. I was in line to see the plane pull up within a few feet of them. Yes there is more control, but as you expand the area you lose that.

The rules are there, the field is there, work with what the majority of the club uses.

You are not experiencing anything new, I use to fly all electric when I first joined. It was tough with small speed 400 handlaunchers with whopping 28" spans that were slow and had 3 minute durations. On top of that, you could not hear them run down. It was virtually a deadstick with a high wingload every landing. It was very frustrating trying to fly. I had to pick and choose my times. Slowly, I changed to larger planes, thus eliminating the problems. The small electrics were saved for the open field, park or school yard. By changing, I found I enjoyed flying at FSA more.

Obviously, not everyone can make that change. One thing that always helped me was when the other guys would give me an open window to fly. That is something that is going the way of the dinosaurs at our field. We would all take turns flying and would enjoy watching others fly. Nowadays, it's "How many flights can I cram into an hour ?" I asked Kirk to put a note in the newsletter about the "almost in flight refuelers" to give the rest of us a break, have a little consideration. I really appreciate when the gang gives me 10 minutes to make a flight on my plane. That's it 10 minutes, timed, landed and done. Then I'll sit back and chew the fat for an hour. That leaves at least 5 more 10 minute flights for the rest. Usually works out fine. Early Sunday mornings tend to work this way. Everyone takes a turn.

I think the club song should be WAR, "WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS"

MT

Check out the contra props on the XIX

Damn, where's that runway centerline ?!?!?!?! Having had a chance to sit in a similar MkXIV, I can tell you that nose is really really really long ! He's lucky he's even near the runway !

XT-D is a MkIIa with BOB history, 603 squadron "Gin ye daur" ! that means "If you dare" I saw her fly in 2000 and she was spectacular ! Tears in my eyes listening to the ' siren song ' coming from that merlin !

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/23/2005 2:22 AM

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Here's what the view in a Stearman is like !

There's is nothing like it ! Fantastic !

Wish I had in flight photos from my flight, too busy flying though !

I found it to be the easiest handling plane yet except seeing over the nose when taxiing.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/23/2005 4:08 AM

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The spectators where breaking the club rules period.

The spectators were sitting on the bench inside the field! If they had
been on the other side of the fence the plane would never have come
close to them. Thats why we have that rule... so clueless people are not
on the flight line.

As a saftey officer you should have asked them to move. In your defense
you were not the only safety officer present that night.

Again another rule that is already in place that is not enforced.

I don't think we need new rules, we just need to post the present rules
and enforce them with unity.

I also think the rules should be posted in more then one location around
the field (visitors rarely see the rule board in its present location) one at
the shelter entrance, one at the mid entrance of the field and maybe another
one at the far end of the feild. I also think we should have a pilot box for the
heli pad. And for insurance reasons we should have "no spectators beyond this
point signs posted on the fence, and at the entrance to the shelter.

I am not talking about some lame paper signs, real printed signs that we can
screw to the fence.

If I understand it correctly the shelter was built for the pilots, not the comfort of
spectators.

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Me sarcastic ? Never !

You hit the nail on the head. At FSA we have people not watching the skies just like the park, Pilots and spectators. The incident that Kelly was involved in is a perfect example. There were two spectators (non-clubbers) sitting on a bench in front of the shelter. The plane just barely missed them, they did not even realize how close it came to almost killing them. I was in line to see the plane pull up within a few feet of them. Yes there is more control, but as you expand the area you lose that.

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RE: FSA Clubhouse - 10/23/2005 1:05 PM

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Thunder, hate to steal your thunder, but the heli rules apply to all helis. Those little electrics can cut some one up just as fast. If you cannot see it, it may be a park bird only then.

Thunder, I know the PERFECT park for you to fly at..............

Konterra Model Air PARK!!

Blessings!

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