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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/18/2009 4:03 AM   
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Gsmith, I know what ya mean I had my suk set up in all 3 flight modes, idle down throttle cut and all in less than an hour and a half, mainly becuase the 3 flight modes are new waters for me (RD6000S user for 5 years and it was my first computer radio) but It has all the competition features that are as easy as a sport radio to set up!

IM GONNA HAVE THIS RADIO FOR A LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BIG 2 THUMBS UP FROM ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/18/2009 7:18 AM   
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hey guys, as this is my first spectrum system I am a little  insucure about my antenna orenitaion.  I've got most of the antennas 90 degrees from eachother but there is a little bit that is not,  and the are not on a level plain, (meaning one is higer up in the fuse than the other) and I do have the wires protected with 2 peices of plastic tube.

I took some pix to make sure that my install is okay, it is in my Goldberg Sukhoi, wich was origanally set up for standard 72mHz, so I was alittle limited with what I could do.

So is it okay?  all Feedback will be greatly appreciated!

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/18/2009 5:40 PM   
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 I'm going to pick up my SD-10G tomorrow but one observation from the guy at the counter ( Hes a JR guy like I have been ) was that the trims seem a little "sloppy" in the slot housing? He said the TX feels a lot different than a JR ( which I expected ) and he said it did feel much more balanced than a JR TX.  He was also surprised that none of the switches were marked or labeled in any way. I told him they were all assignable but he thought it looked strange with no numbering or words on the switches.

 Anyone who already has one have any feedback on his observations?

 I am excited like a 10 year old on X-Mas eve to get my hands on it.

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/18/2009 6:39 PM   
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All of the Switches have numbers either molded into the case or on labels for the front mounted ones that correspond to the switch.  All toggle switches are 3 way. One is spring loaded from center.  There are 2 sliders and 1 VR knob and 2 push buttons.  All are numbered and those numbers are used to assign a switch. Very easy to set up.

The digital trims are a bit loose but feel natural.  This is my first radio with digital trims and I am already comfortable with them.

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/19/2009 2:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		mine has numbers on the case for the switches and corresponding numbers in the programming  to assaign them, veary easy to set up.

Gotsky, thanks for the feedback, first flight on my goldberg sukhoi taday whent great, just had to teak the throttle curve and endpoints wich was quit easy.  time to buy more rx's!!!

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/19/2009 9:25 PM   
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  I picked up my SD-10G today. I havent had a chance to go through the manual yet so I cant comment on the programming. I am just now plugging it in to charge. I assume green light means ready / Red light means charging / back to green once its charged. The manual is a little unclear as it states .

1) The charger LED will illuminate green, indicating that the charger is plugged in and charging.
2) The charger LED will illuminate red, indicating that the charger is plugged in and charging.

  First impressions to be 100% honest are a little flat. The overall fit and finish is not what I am used to with JR. Not a critisizm, an observation. The trims switches are a little looser in their holes than I would like to see and I think "Airtronics" name should have been a little more dominantly printed on the face of the transmitter. Ergos on this TX will take a little getting used to as it feels "different" than my JR's do. I'm sure I will get used to it, it will just take a while. The labeling on things like switches is pretty thrifty. I dont want to say it looks "cheap" so the word thrifty seems to be a good fit. I like the labeling on the JR TXs much better but again thats what I am used to.   

  The "pop up" antenna is a neat feature that I wasnt expecting. The battery access door is nicely crafted and has a quality look about it. I like the fact that they use a servo lead for the battery in the TX. AAA+ for this one. JR uses a "cheesy" clip connector that is easily broken if you try to remove the battery pack to quickly. The stock battery is a good size to start with, thanks for that. JR TX packs are too small and you always have to upgrade to a larger battery, at least I do.

  I am troubled that I wont be able to use my serius "charge pro" charger on the TX. It states that there is circutry that will be damaged if the battery isnt removed before charging with anything except the wall charger. This one is a big deal for me as I use my serius equipment for everything and I havent charged at home for better than two years. This one will take some getting used to if it is indeed true. 

  More as I get familiar with it this weekend......................

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/20/2009 5:43 AM   
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Got my SD-10G today. WOW I'm in heaven.  Been waiting on this radio for atleat 5 years maybe longer.  All I can say is wow its like my Stylus on Steroids.  Love the menus and the custom menus.  Love the multi 3 pos switches, I've already taken the NIMH battery out and replaced it with a 2 cell Lipo at 1500 mah.  Works like a charm. 

Love the SX Monitor and its 7 sub menus that eliminate my JR Match maker and allows me to set a plane up totaly from scratch with out burning up servos or guessing about the stress on the linkage.  Love the Surface menu where all 10 channels are there right in a row, no searching for Rev or End points or EPA limits its all under one heading.

Modulation menu is cool, the 10channel reciever is FH3 and the 8 channel receiver is FH1 and the Link No. corresponds to the DMS (Direct model select)  very cool.   Really love Channel Assign this is where you can do some damage on a multi servo wing multi servo surface.
This is the screen where you can eliminate your Match Boxes. 

I love flight modes and use them often.  Now with so many 3 pos switches and they are all assignable I can put my flight modes anywhere on the radio and still have 3 pos dual rates under each flight mode for 18 possible throw settings per flight control and rudder is included in all flights modes you dont have to add it.  No need for Alternate setting as This gives me more than enought throw settings per mode.

Love the switch labels ... umm  I guess Sanwa learned there lesson, Make the switch location name part of the case so no matter how hard you rub them they will never rub off.

Critism : 
Why am I asked to set a user ID name and its not displayed anywere on the front menu ?  Thats strange.
Somebody at SANWA likes big fat radio cases.  Dont know who he/she is but they must have big hands.
Ratchett on the throttle,  I'm so uses to not having it, I dont like it when there is one.
SKY DYNAMICS  -  Who thought that one up ??
Where are all the extra add ons talked about in the manual but not on the web sight for sale.


Well boys back to programing, want to fly my new toy tomorrow.

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/20/2009 4:14 PM   
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 Yes.......the "set user name" function is strange. Does it actually show up anywhere, if it does I cant find it. I set to work getting rid of my throttle ratchet last night but havent really gotten what I wanted for feel yet. I loosened the ratchet detent like you are told to do and increased the tension strap as tight as I could get it. I'm still not happy with it. I wish I was given a smooth ratchet strap without the detent stamped into it. Then I could replace the detent version and get the throttle friction I am looking for. I suppose I can make one.

 Mine came with extra gimbal springs? Are they stronger or weaker than what comes in it, I cant tell looking at them. I did slightly increase the gimbal tension as mine were softer than I like. 

 The finish on the radio could be refined to look a little less like a proto type or a mock up. Not a big deal but I would have liked a nicer finish and the Airtronics logo more prominantly displayed.

 I havent figured it all out yet, and I am still so used to the drawn out JR programming menus that this seems too easy. I would assume by the end of the weekend I will feel pretty good about it. I will start my first installation some time this weekend and then head out for a test flight. I think I'm going to like it. If there is a refined 12 channel coming out ( there are open switch ports with plugs ) I will be in line for one.   

     

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 12:20 AM   
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I set to work getting rid of my throttle ratchet last night but havent really gotten what I wanted for feel yet. I loosened the ratchet detent like you are told to do and increased the tension strap as tight as I could get it. I'm still not happy with it. I wish I was given a smooth ratchet strap without the detent stamped into it. Then I could replace the detent version and get the throttle friction I am looking for. I suppose I can make one. 



Here's what I did since we both apparently like to have a smooth, heli -style throttle stick:
1. Remove the ratchet strap entirely. Both screws.
2. Install that ratchet strap on screw bosses for the elevator stick (other side of the radio).  It will be hanging in free space since the back of the stick doesn't have a smooth or ridged surface to rub on for that stick.  I am just placing it there for storage.
3. Get some plastic-safe lube and with a toothpick, carefully apply a very small amount under the remaining smooth ratchet strap.   I used some Lite-Machines Lite-Lube that was left over from a heli.  Servo gear grease or silicone grease should also work fine.
4.  Tighten down the smooth strap a lot, until you get the tension you like.




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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 12:25 AM   
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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 12:35 AM   
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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 5:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Has anyone set up a plane with 2 rudder servos? I have found my first major problem with the SD-10G and it states this right in the manual. I couldn't believe it. If you assign two channels to rudder servos they do not have their own center and end point adjustments. What is the point of assigning two servos to rudder if you cant match them. You might as well use one channel.

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 12:59 PM   
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I saw that too and if you read the whole section on channel assign it was put in to use the 10 channel radio with a less than 10 channel receiver and truly functional for foamy's and small park flyers that really do need channels re assigned.   
There example is a 7 channel receiver vs a 10 channel output assignment.  While this idea is great for the thrifty people too cheap to buy a 10 channel receiver the saving grace to this is the little data port under the battery cover.  Enough of us that hammer Sanwa to add that feature and I hope the idea is they will include that in the next release.   My optomistic view is we are not STUCK with the way the radio is now but can anticipate changes on the fly.

Mark Atwood wrote in a previous email that this radio is NOT the high end radio that will finally take the place of the Stylus.  That there is a true 14-16 channel over $1000 radio on the board and this will be the final high end radio.  In that email there was a very good internal debate on what features to deliver in the first release of the software for the SD-10G.  Mark told us some of the beloved items we now use may not make it in the SD-10G like Alternate set up and the "Add on card system everybody loves/hates".

What we need to do is stick together and hammer Mike and Mark and all the people at Global "DON't LET SANWA FALL ASLEEP" keep pushing them to give us more.  Navigate to the Airtronics TV network site and listen to Mike talk about the radios being Computers not just static 2.4 stations.   A computer is upgradable.  So I think that is where Sanwa is going with the technology.

I know that doesnt answer your question of  "**** Sanwa" but hopefully we can come up with a work around until the next release.

Johnny

Also I noticed something else and that is Airtronics.net is working to make their presence on the web allot more pronounced.  In that I mean they have their own web blogs and video portal thru Airtronics TV.  There are also sites coming online like "XXX SD10G users club" where
individual clubs are adding their own blogs about the radio.   I may drift away from RCU and go join one of these sites as they seem to be monitored more closely by ATX than RCU is.

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 5:55 PM   
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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 6:32 PM   
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 How to I get to  WWW.XXXSD10Gusersclub.com .................I dont find that website or reference anywhere. I would like to join up......

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/21/2009 11:35 PM   
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Flew my SD-10G today.  I already had a plane set up with my RDS8000 so instead of installing the 10channel and starting over I did the FH1 modulation set up and used the Model Type screen to make my selection to Aero with Wing Normal, Aileron 2, Flap 1, Tail 2xEL throttle 1.
I hit enter and it built a set up program and shows a progress bar that takes a minute to build. (Lots of stuff to do ! )

After that I went into the Modulation menu and chose FH1 instead of FH3 (FH1 is the RDS8K, FH3 is the SD10G)  Safety Link #1  that places this model in the # 1 slot of the DMS (Dirrect Model Select) menu.   When I got to the last item "Bind Code > Off I turned the 94824 receiver on with the Bind button depressed waited for the LED to blink, then hit enter on the transmitter to say BIND and PRESTO !!  I got a bind !!

I wont get into the bad servo I had on the rudder (I guess I flew the crap out of it) and surprisingly the bad DS821 JR servo I had on the elevator (Hard over, first time ever on a DS821)  I wont go into the fact that I fly for a major ARF importer in my area and this is one of many company test planes that just happens to live at my house for time being.  So I had to make some heavy maintenance along with using one of MY 94162 analog servos for the rudder and two of my 94151 analog servos on the elevator.  This plane is a 1.20 size Edge 540 that just came to me after flying all electric I converted it back to gas.

After all that drama I purposely left the ailerons un programed and said to my self " I will program these at the field"  wow really tempting the gods on that one.

Make a long story short, Got the wings done, got the junk meister chinese 28 started and running, Programed throttle end point, throttle cut, tuned the high end on the motor and did a range check on Low Power setting. (Make sure you have the 2.4 antenna post pulled out or you wont make 90 feet minimums.)  Got that done, range test ok, way more than 90 feet on low power setting.  Refueld put my sunglasses on and Took off. 

Wow all that time I spent on the flight modes was really kind of worth it.  I have three flight modes I named Takeof.. IMAC, 3DMode.  and they are self explanitory,  Inside the each Mode the D/R's are three pos switches so I have 3 x 3 x 3 = 18 possible Dual rate setting on this one plane.   As I was flying I said to my self that's too many rate positions, I need to make these 3 pos EXPO settings not Dual Rate settings.  So that's my next project to change them.  The gimbals on this radio are really really smoth. The radio feels very comfortable in your hands. Trimming was no problem althought I dont remeber hearing a beep when I hit the button.  It was windy so I had to use all the trims including the rudder.  I could not do a whole lot with the plane because of the motor but I flew it way out to the next zip code on purpose and flew thru the FUTABA ZONE at our field several times, nothing.  So I was pretty happy by this time.

Needless to say no glitches, no brown outs, no fades ( and it was close to 98 and 70% humidity today in Texas, that makes it feel 102 in the shade)  The plane sat in the sun for a solid hour so it was heat soaked ,  The sun was BRIGHT, be carefull with the LCD screen you can bleach it out if you dont cover the face of the transmitter. 

Ok enuff time to land, throttle back and this is funny,  the crummy Chinese 28 worries me in that I dont want it to die when I throttle back so I left the idle  a little high, but no worries have throttle cut programed on button # 32 no problem well the first time I came in I was pressing the White Switch cover cap and nothing was happeing duh !!  your not on the button dummie !!   So go around, the button is way further to center, so I have the right hand stick poking me in the palm of my hand with my index finger on Button # 32 and flying the plane with the palm of my hand and pulling the throttle back and hitting the button at the same time to get the plane down in tact.   I bounced a few times to the cat calls of the peanut gallery behind me.

Ego intact, plane intact, radio intact, time to eat, B.S. with the boys and head for the house.

Love this radio.

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/22/2009 1:02 AM   
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I wont get into the bad servo I had on the rudder (I guess I flew the crap out of it) and surprisingly the bad DS821 JR servo I had on the elevator

 Can you explain the symptoms you had on the "Bad servos" you are explaining? Did they outrightly fail or was there another issue?

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/22/2009 1:25 AM   
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The rudder servo mentioned is a Cheap Chinese servo that was advertized at 195/in-oz .  They dont hold they dont center and after a few flights they crap out for no reason.  So they wont make it over here to the US anytime soon.  

The DS821 JR servo on the elevator,  hard over after about a year of flying.  Granted these two JR servos have had a hard life but never crashed and never removed once installed.  So one day for no reason that one servo decided to hard over.  The other elevator servo was bought the same day out of the same shipment from Horizon, so its not Horizon its just the End of Life for that servo I guess.  Don't take anything out of the failure because this plane has all DS821 all round except for the rudder and throttle and the other servos are strong and no problems.   Knock on wood !
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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/22/2009 3:19 AM   
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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/22/2009 4:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, If you are flying a T-REX 250 or a park flyer, it is not a matter of being cheap! People will use the new small 6 channel receiver for these applications. So, in these scenarios you might have to reassign the channels! We were NOT trying to reward people too "cheap" to use the 10ch rx, it is a way of ensuring this under 500 dollar radio is as versatile as possible. And when you're comparing features, keep the price in mind! Sanwa was really trying to make the best bang for the buck 10 channel radio under 500 dollars available.

As for input, OF COURSE we want input. It is not a matter of needing to gang up on us I promise we're listening... And as was said earlier we've done everything possible to make access to information about the radio, to service, and to feedback, as easy and transparent as possible.

Go to www.airtronics.net you'll see the 800 number, team blog link, and forum link as well as our service email of course. So you CAN give us feedback DIRECTLY AND you can ask for programming advice, help etc...

I hope everyone truly enjoys the radio and gives us as much feedback as possible ASAP actually. We're ASKING for feedback, not resisting it!

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/22/2009 6:52 PM   
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  I have been JR for 20+ years, so consider the source. I want to take the opportunity to say I am not only impressed with Airtronics product but I am very impressed with their "brand" of customer service . I didnt come easy to the Airtronics SD-10G, but I can tell you it was a good call to wait for it and not go with the 9303 2.4. Mike Greenshields has been more then responsive to questions and helping with things that  I and others might not understand about their new SD-10G's.

  After spending the weeknd with my SD-10G and learning the set up, I can say I'm impressed and a few other members of our club were impressed as well when they got it into their hands. This transmitter has yet to be noticed by the masses but when they do notice it people will expect more from the other companies as far as ease of programing and navigation in their TXs . Its had a big impact on me as an owner of a computer radio. The last time I was this impressed was with my JR 347 back in 1990. Think about this, I paid $375 bucks for my 4 model memory, 7 channel JR 347 in 1990. That was a great deal. I just paid $499, some 19 years later for a 20 model memory SD-10G with 3 more channels than the 347 had. Thats an amazing value. 

 Yea, the SD-10G in my opinion is that good. Its a game changer.


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Status: offline 		I agree that the SD-10G is a great radio. I sold my Futaba 12FG to buy this radio and I am not disapointed. Ihave set up a 35% plane with 9 servos and it went well but took a little creativity. Very easy to program.

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/22/2009 10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guys,I have been flying Airtronics radios for over 25 years right after I messed up my trusty EK Logictrol. I started with the CS 7 channel. Then bought another one. Then the 8 channel Vision was introduced and I had to have one of them. Easy radio to set up and made my modeling life much easier. Then they brought out the 8 channel Stylus. Man what a radio. So waiting for the SD-10G was a no brainer for me. Airtronics' service is second to none. When you call for help on anything the guy you talk to is knowledgable and has saved me a lot of work in setting up the radios.Oh and one other thing. I still have everyone of the radios I just listed....and they still work flawlessly!!!Thanks Airtronics!

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/23/2009 5:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		mike, can you tell us what voltages the airtronics 2.4 receivers can take.  i fly imac and use a123 (6.6v) and will move to 7.2volts on some setups with 8711HV servos.  are these voltages ok with your receivers?  thanks, toby silhavy....

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RE: MAN reports on Airtronics SD-10G 2.4Ghz radio system - 6/24/2009 1:54 AM   
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I agree that the SD-10G is a great radio. I sold my Futaba 12FG to buy this radio and I am not disapointed. Ihave set up a 35% plane with 9 servos and it went well but took a little creativity. Very easy to program.

How did you set up a 2 aileron wing? I thought this radio would eliminate the need for matchboxes? What am I doing wrong?

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