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Old 01-18-2009, 05:42 PM
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I am having problems programming my dx7 transmitter so I can have full functions like crow.
Old 01-18-2009, 07:17 PM
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I have helped others with programming this radio, but I do not own one. I have the XP9303. There are other threads that detail the setup for the UltraStick and this radio.
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I have a document that explains the whole setup in detail. Unfortunately, it's a PDF document and I can't upload it to the thread. Shoot me an email or PM and I'll send it to you.
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I have tried everthing to get "CROW" setup and can't find it nowhere but i won't give up............I have two ultra sticks that don't have CROW. what i would give for info!!!?????
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When I had my UltraStick, I was using a Futaba 8AUPS and there were specific instructions in the UltraStick manual as to how to set up the radio. It required using Glider functions. Before the 8AUPS, I had a 7AUPS and I could not configure all the features because the programming was limited.

If you have separate servos for each Aileron half and each Flap half then you can put Ailerons on Ch2 and Ch7 and Flap halves on Ch 6 and Ch5. You should be able to Mix the Aileron halves and Mix the Flap halves. You can then set up mixes so the Flaps move with the Ailerons, move Down as Flaps, and have the Ailerons move up, when the Flaps are Down, for Crow. You can also mix Elevator with Flap so when elevator is Up, Flap is Down, and vice versa.
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There are probably a lot of people struggling with this setup. I decided to cut and past and re-format the document into the thread just to make it easier for everyone. I didn't write this guide and I can't remember where it came from, but I believe it was a sponsored pilot and/or an employee of Horizon Hobby. I'd like to credit the author, but he's not listed. In any case, he obviously wrote this to help others, so I don't think he'll mind me posting it here. Hope this helps.


Programming Guide for the Spektrum DX7 for the Hangar 9 Ultra Stick

To start with, plug your servos into the correct channels. Below is a listing of what servo to plug into each channel. You will need a 7-channel receiver to use the full set up that the Spektrum DX7 is capable of doing with the Ultra Stick.

Ch. 1 Throttle
Ch. 2 Right Aileron
Ch. 3 Elevator
Ch. 4 Rudder
Ch. 5 Left Aileron (Listed as Gear Channel on
Ch. 6 Right Flap (Listed as Aux 1 on Receiver)
Ch. 7 Left Flap (Listed as Aux 2 on Receiver)

System Set-Up Mode
To begin setting up the transmitter, press and hold the down and select keys, and turn the Spektrum DX7 on, then release the down and select keys. Model Selection Press the up or down key until Model Select is on the top of the screen, and select the model you want the ultra stick on by pressing the increase or decrease key.

Model Reset
Press the up key and scroll through the menu options until you get to Model Reset. With the arrow pointing at data reset, press the clear key.

Model Type Selection
Press the down key until you get to the Type Select function. Press the increase or decrease button until the arrow points at ACRO. If you change this from heli, it will then request you to press the clear key to say yes to change the model type.

Input Select Set Up
Press the up key until you get to the Input Select function. With the arrow pointing at Aux2, press the increase key until it says INH next to Aux2. Press the select key and the arrow should now point at Aux2 Trim, this should say INH, if it does not, press the increase key until it does. Press the select key again and the arrow should point at Flap. This should say SYSTEM, if it says something else, press the increase key until this says SYSTEM. Press the select key, and the arrow should now point at flap trim. Press the increase key to set this to INH

Model Name
To name your model press the up or down key until “Model Name†is on top of the screen. Use the Increase or Decrease key to enter the correct letters or numbers. Use the select key to move to the next space. Press the down and set keys together to enter your model name and to exit the system mode. This completes the system set up mode. Do not activate flaperon in the wing type menu for this set up. All settings in the wing type menu will remain at the default setting of OFF.

Function Mode
Next we will set up the function mode of transmitter. Press the up and select keys together to enter the function list. After completing each step below, press the up and select keys to get back to the function list. To enter a function below from the list on the system, press the down and select keys together with the arrow pointing at that function.

Dual Aileron Set Up
To set up the dual ailerons, we will set up a program mix. We will use program mix 5 for this purpose. Enter program mix 5. Press the increase key until the first channel says AILE. Then press the select key to make the arrow point at the second channel, then press the increase key until the second channel says GEAR. Press the select key to make the arrow point at RATE, then hold left aileron and press the increase key until the percentage says +100%. Then hold right aileron and press the increase key until the second percentage says +100% as well. Both values should say +100%. Next to SW on the screen it should say ON. If it says something other than ON, press the select key to make the arrow point at SW, and press the increase key until it says ON. Offset should be 0.

Dual Flap Set Up
To set up the dual flaps, we will set up a program mix. We will use program mix 6 for this purpose. Enter program mix 6. Press the increase key until the first channel says FLAP. Then press the select key to make the arrow point at the second channel, then press the increase key until the second channel says AUX2. Press the select key to make the arrow point at RATE, then press the increase key until the percentage says +100%. Then flip the flap switch until the arrow moves to the second mix value, and press the increase key until the second percentage says +100% as well. Both values should say +100%. Next to SW on the screen it should say ON, if it says something other than ON, press the select key to make the arrow point at SW, and press the increase key until it says ON. Offset should be 0.

Dual Rates and Expo
Set your Dual Rates and Expo as you desire. Enter the D/R & EXP function. Set these as desired. Always use a positive value for expo, as a negative value will make the control response more sensitive around center and could cause you to over control the plane and crash. 30 percent expo on aileron, and 25% on elevator and rudder is recommended to start with. Set your low rates around 70% to start with, and change to your tastes.

Servo Reversing
Set your servo reversing correctly so that each surface goes the correct direction. Do this by entering the REV SW. function. Press select to choose the channel to reverse if needed, and press increase or decrease to reverse the current channel selected. If the flaps go up with the flap switch in the down or LAND position, reverse the direction of channel 6 (FLAP) and/or channel 7 (AUX 2). In most cases in this set up, channel 7 or aux 2 will need to be reversed.

Sub Trims
Set the sub trims as required leveling the control surfaces. Do so by entering the SUB TRIM function. Press select to choose the channel to adjust, and press increase or decrease to adjust as necessary. Try to keep these as close to zero as possible. Using too much sub trim can result in running out of travel on the servos, and the possibility of over-driving the servos.

Travel Adjustment
Set the travel adjustments such that you get the control movements required. To adjust this, enter the TRAV ADJ. Function. Consult your Ultra Stick manual for the required control surface travels. You may need to use 1†long servo arms to achieve the maximum travels listed in the manual. Try to use as high a travel adjustment value possible to achieve the throws so that you use as much of the servos travel as possible. Press the select key until you get to the GEAR channel, then press the decrease key until the travel of the gear is 0%, then flip the gear switch to the other switch position, and repeat, making the travel adjust in both switch positions 0% for the gear channel. This will inhibit the gear switch from affecting your ailerons.

Elevator to Flap Mixing
Enter the EL->FL function. Press the Select key until the arrow points at SW, and then press the increase key until this says MIX next to SW. Flap the mix key so that “on†shows in the upper right hand corner of the screen. Now press the select key until the arrow points at RATE, hold down elevator and press increase until the D value is set to about 35 percent. If the flaps go down with down elevator, reverse the value from +35 to –35 or vice versa. Now hold up elevator press the increase key until you get to about 35 percent. If the flaps go up, reverse the value from +35 to –35 or vice versa. This will give you flaps mixed to the elevator for tight loops, etc.

Flap System
Enter the FLAP SYS function. Press the select key until the arrow points at the UP flap value. Press the decrease key until this says Up 50%. Adjusting this value will adjust how far the flaps will go in the center position, though you can also make small adjustments to the MID position next to flaps later for final set up. Center the flap servos after setting this position, with the switch all the way up. This is done so that you will not run out of travel for aileron to flap mixing for fast rolls. Next press select until the arrow points at the flap setting in the LAND position, press the increase or decrease value to adjust this value, you will set this value as needed to get the flap travel needed with the switch in the land position. Next press select so that the arrow points at the ELEV value for the LAND position. Press the increase or decrease value as needed to get roughly ¼†down elevator with the switch in the LAND position.

Aileron to Flap Mixing
The aileron to flap mixing will require 2 programmable mixes. We will use mix 1 and 2 for this set up. The first mix will be an aileron to flap mix, and the second will be an aileron to aux 2 mix. The value of the aileron to aux 2 mix must be exactly double but opposite of the value in the aileron to flap mix. The travel of the flaps as ailerons will not be as much as the travel of the ailerons themselves. This will still increase the roll rate of your ultra stick however. To set up the first mix, we will use program mix 1. Enter program mix 1. Press the increase key until the first channel says AILE. Then press the select key to make the arrow point at the second channel, and then press the increase key until the second channel says FLAP. Press the select key to make the arrow point at RATE, then hold left aileron and press the increase key until the percentage says +62%. Then hold right aileron and press the increase key until the second percentage says +62% as well. Both values should say +62%. Next press the select key to make the arrow point at SW, and press the increase key until the screen says MIX next to SW. Offset should be 0.

To set up the second mix needed for the aileron to flap mixing, we will use program mix 2. Enter program mix 2. Press the increase key until the first channel says AILE. Then press the select key to make the arrow point at the second channel, and then press the increase key until the second channel says AUX2. Press the select key to make the arrow point at RATE, then hold left aileron and press the increase key until the percentage says -124% (value double but opposite of the previous mix). Then hold right aileron and press the increase key until the second percentage says -124% as well. Both values should say -124%. Next press the select key to make the arrow point at SW, and press the increase key until the screen says MIX next to SW. Offset should be 0. If the flaps do not follow the ailerons, reverse the percentages from + to – and – to + in both mix 1 and mix 2. Leave the percentage rate the same at 62 and 124.

Flap to Aileron Mixing
The flap to aileron mixing will require 2 programmable mixes. We will use mix 3 and 4 for this set up. The first mix will be a flap to aileron mix, and the second will be a flap to gear mix. The value of the flap to gear mix must be exactly double but opposite of the value in the flap to aileron mix. These mixes will set up the “crow†function on the LAND flap switch position.

To set up the first mix, we will use program mix 3. Enter program mix 3. Press the increase key until the first channel says FLAP. Then press the select key to make the arrow point at the second channel, and then press the increase key until the second channel says AILE. Press the select key until the arrow points at OFFSET. Press the increase key until it says +50 next to OFFSET. Press the select key until the arrow points at RATE, then flap the flap switch into the LAND position, then press the increase key until the percentage says +62% (adjust this percentage as necessary to get the ailerons to move as “spoilers†¾†up, keeping in mind that the value of this program mix must by half the value and opposite of the value in the next mix, program mix 4). Next to SW on the screen it should say ON. If it says something other than ON, press the select key to make the arrow point at SW, and press the increase key until it says ON. Flap the Flap switch to the “0†position and press the increase key until it says 30%. Use the select key to return to “SW†and use the increase key to change the value to Flap2.

To set up the second mix, we will use program mix 4. Enter program mix 4. Press the increase key until the first channel says FLAP. Then press the select key to make the arrow point at the second channel, and then press the increase key until the second channel says GEAR. Press the select key until the arrow points at OFFSET. Press the increase key until it says +50 next to OFFSET. Press the select key until the arrow points at RATE, then flap the flap switch into the LAND position, then press the decrease key until the percentage says -124% (adjust this percentage as necessary to get the ailerons to move as “spoilers†¾†up, keeping in mind that the value of this program mix must by double the value and opposite of the value in the previous mix, program mix 3). Next to SW on the screen it should say ON. If it says something other than ON, press the select key to make the arrow point at SW, and press the increase key until it says ON. Flap the Flap switch to the “0†position and press the decrease key until it says - 60%. Use the select key to return to “SW†and use the increase key to change the value to Flap2.
Old 03-09-2009, 01:24 PM
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I do not have a ultra stick, but this is exactly what I was looking for...

I just wanted to say thank you to Sgillmore for puting this togeather.

I will try it before I buy the airplane.
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Have i done something wrong???

The GEAR (retract) switch is still working when I use this setup.
Old 04-21-2009, 11:09 PM
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Go to Mix#1: Gear>Gear Rate: -100% -100%(you might have to flick the Gear SW to get the other -100) This will inhibit the Gear Switch.

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Thanks very much for posting this, I was looking for tips on this exact subject last summer, haven't flown the Ultra-Stick yet, but was going to the field tomorrow and planned on setting it up out there........

Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: renwick56

Have i done something wrong???

The GEAR (retract) switch is still working when I use this setup.

If you look at the section titled "Travel Adjustment", it has you set the gear travel to "0" for both up and down, basically disabeling the gear switch. I had this issue to, until I decided to just complete the setup and found out how it was done. That step should have been done first to avoid confusion, but it works. I have mine set up using the above manual, and everything works great.........I really appreciated this manual, I hate to admit it, but I don't think I would have ever figured it out on my own.

Dave
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Thank you very much for this post. I could not have program my Stick without it!!!
Thanks,
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Thanks for the info. Been pulling my hair out trying to set it up!! (both of them!! )
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Thanks for the excelent write up

I do have one question and that is, if anyone knows, how to get differential into the
ailerons using the set up.

I know this set up do not use the FLAPRON enable which seems to be a must to use the
radio feature of "Differential"

Thanks

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Since your Aileron halves are on separate channels and mixed using a Programmable Mixer, it is just a matter of limiting the amount of Down travel for each Aileron half, separately.
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Rich

not with the setup in the beginning of this thread as I have implemented
it and beleive I have followed it to the letter except for "Aileron to Flap
Mixing" and "Flap to Aileron Mixing" . What I have is the
right Aileron in Aileron Channel and left is in the Gear channel.
Aileron throws set for spec up and down via Aileron throw adjustment
which is also reflected in the left Aileron. Gear throws are set to 100% up and down.
Chainging the Gear Throws only moves it up or down from center.

I do not think I have done a step incorrectly so any further assistance is
appreciated.

Gary

ps In Addition and not that I care, I had to set up the rudder without dual rates
so the switch could be used in the Elevator to Flap mixing.



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OK!!

Just a thought!!
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Rich, have you ever been sucessful in getting the "throttle to crow" to work (like the classic Futaba programming)?

I have my MUS setup (XP9303/AR7000) per your instructions IIRC, and I'm lusting after the AMR 50 Stick.....
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I have not tried Throttle to Crow, yet.
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I managed to get it to work on my 9C, with a borrowed 9 channel RX.
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Hey guys... Hate to beat a dead horse, but has anyone ever gotten the quad flap design to work with a DX6i? I know that it would work with the JR 6 channel setups, but you had to use a y-harness for the flaps and you lost the ability for the flaps and ailerons to work together.

Thanks in advance!
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Hmmm.... So I guess no one knows if it can be done with the DX6i??
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Not that I am any expert, but why quad flaps? I get very good slow flight characteristics with just the dual flaps
on the Ultra. A more advanced radio than what I used (dx7) might be need to get the functionality but I can not speak about
using the DX6i.

gary
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Quad flap is just the wing configuration that i was speaking about. I am really wanting to program in the crow function..
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To anyone with input it would be GREATLY appreciated!

I am a frustrated DX7/Mini Ultra Stick programmer. About 6 months ago I tried the above programming procedure with my DX7/AR7000 setup on my Mini Ultra Stick. I got very frustrated cause I can not get my flaps to work at all. After much time spent on trying to figure it out I got burnt out on it and put it on the back burner. I finally got back to trying the programming again this afternoon. I completely started over and am running into the same thing. I can get all my control surfaces to work except the flaps, they won't go down or up. I can go into my flap setup and put some down elevator with the flaps and when I turn the flaps on the elevator will respond but no flaps at all. I have checked to see if the flap servos are good by plugging in the aileron servo extension plugs to the flap servos and all works great. I feel like I'm leaving out a simple step somewhere that won't let my flaps work. Can anyone provide me with any advice. If you have any questions of any of the steps I'm doing please ask and I'll relay the info. Thanks so far!

Trent

P.S. I have not gone through the above complete programming procedure, but this is what I've done so far.... I've went through the "Dual Flap Set Up" and it's all correct, but I can not test it b/c the flap switch won't activate the flaps. I've went through the "Elevator to Flap Mixing" and once again the info is entered correctly in my DX7 but I can't test anything b/c as I've said the flap switch won't activate the flaps. Do I continue on with the complete setup or if my flaps aren't working now, i'm assuming they won't be working at the end. Thanks!


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